(Ed. note: This interview has been redacted for clarity.)
I first discovered Spencer Williams while going through some of the content on fellow gay porn performer Devon Hunter's new website AnterosMedia.com. I was, like so many others before me, drawn in by his swarthy good looks and expressive mouth, his soulful eyes and kind demeanor. Or, at least, the demeanor who choices to show on Twitter.
And although I'm not attracted to the muscly type, there was still something about this Hawaiian native that kept beckoning me. So, after a few well-placed calls, I was in touch with Spencer and my inquiry began.
Now, if you do a cursory search on Google, there isn't much to Spencer Williams's portfolio. A couple of scenes with Phoenixxx.com - including one very hot fuck session with twinky Kyler Moss - some work on Devon's site, an appearance on PeterFever.com (that came and went with a deafening silence) and his only bareback scene with, as Spencer frequently likes to remind poeple, his husband and fellow gay porn performer Mitch Vaughn.
But the information I wanted could only be intuited so far from his sexual performances. And aside from his short-lived, eponymously-named Tumblr and fairly ho-hum interview with Gay Demon, I didn't know much about Spencer. Which is why, I suppose, we ended up talking so little about gay porn and so much more about him.
I have found over the years that the problem with so many gay porn interviews isn't so much the questions (although it is hard to avoid the triteness), it's the lack of familiarity. In other words, what good is it to ask your subject a question about sex, if you have no sense of the person you are talking about.
But it is not hard to see why, when asked, Devon described Spencer "like a Monet painting, different aspects of himself shifting in and out of focus, but always colorful and soothing." Or why Peter Le observed, "Spencer has a great personality with the guy next door smile!" But there is more, so much more, to the man I spoke with for an hour recently.
MOC Blog: Spencer, thank you for taking the time to speak with me and my readers. Aloha.
Spencer Williams: Aloha! (Although I don't really say 'aloha' much. LOL!)
MOC Blog: Let's travel back in time. It's your first day of high school. What are you wearing? What is your mood?
Spencer Williams: First day of high school..I'm probably wearing something out of my older brother's drawer (hoping he won't catch me at school) and my mood? Just glad to be out of my house and away from my parents!
MOC Blog: Really? Why? Were you not close with them?
Spencer Williams: I grew up in a Mormon familiy. There were six kids in my family, I being the third oldest (the middle child). All of my siblings were into sports from a young age, I was very different from them and I knew it from the get go as a kid. I wanted to dance, take gymnastics and sing. I felt out of place in my familiy while growing up and felt like I was treated differently by my parents.
MOC Blog: Treated differently? In what ways?
Spencer Williams: They paid for my brothers to play football, soccer and wrestle. They also paid for my sisters to play soccer and softball. However, when I asked to take dance classes or gymnastics, I was told 'no.'
MOC Blog: Ouch. What were you siblings' reactions? They must have seen what was going on.
Spencer Williams: The sad thing was while we were kids there were sides taken as siblings and I was not the lucky one. I pretty much fought for my voice to be heard against all my five siblings. They saw what was happening, but as kids sometimes it's entertaining to see a sibling get into trouble.
MOC Blog: And cruel.
Spencer Williams: Pretty cruel, it was heartbreaking and as a child I never saw our home to be a place of refuge like it should be for a child.
MOC Blog: Well, forgive me, but the idea of seeing you wrestling in high school in one of those tight-fitting singlets isn't exactly repulsive.
Spencer Williams: Hahaha!!! Unfortunately, I was a scrawny kid in high school. I think it would be a bit replusive back in those days. I never touched a dumbbell or barbell in high school.
MOC Blog: And look at you now.
Spencer Williams: I know! I'm happy with the shape that I'm in (compared to my high school days, although there's a lot of space for improvement). My older brother, who was the buff one in high school, refers to me as his "younger buff brother" now that I'm the one that's really into health and fitness.
MOC Blog: Okay, so the idea of you and your buff older brother (and you) together isn't exactly repulsive either. You never...you know?
Spencer Williams: Ummmmmm, I don't want to be put in the same idea as my brother. LOL!
It's pretty funny because the two siblings that I hated as a kid are the two closest siblings. My oldest brother and the older of my two younger sisters are my closest siblings. I get along with all my other siblings, but usually when I need to talk to someone, I turn to those two.
Spencer Williams: Actually, I came out to the brother I used to be close to (the second oldest child).
MOC Blog: How did that go?
Spencer Williams: It went well with him. I was scared that I would disgrace our family by coming out of the closet and I was balling while I was telling him that I was gay. He was very compassionate and told me although he may not agree with my lifestyle, that it doesn't change the fact that I'm his brother and that he will love me no matter what.
MOC Blog: I've never understood that word: lifestyle. Was he referring to your same-sex attractions?
Spencer Williams: Yes.
MOC Blog: How old were you when you came out to him? More importantly, how old were you when you came out to yourself?
Spencer Williams: First of all, I knew from the age of 4 years old that I was attracted to men. I remember watching a Jean Claude Van Damme movie and being in awe and lusting after him. However, being raised in a religious family, I did my best to convince myself that I was straight. I came to terms that I was gay when I was 19 years old. I was actually on my mission for the Mormon church and I told my mission president that I shouldn't be out there and was sent home. It was a couple months after I came home and I was 20 years old and came out to my brother (who was the first immediate family member to know).
MOC Blog: Do you have any pictures of you in temple undergarments that you can send me privately for, you know, artistic reasons?
Spencer Williams: I actually don't have any pictures of the undergarments.
MOC Blog: So, as your family is still Mormon (I'm assuming here, fairly safely I suppose), didn't you ever have a discussion with them about how their tithing contributed to the campaign against same-sex marriage in California?
Spencer Williams: I never brought up that discussion with them. As much as I find it bullshit that the Mormon church along with other religious sects joined in forces to stop same-sex marriages in California, I never wanted to bring it up as a discussion with my family as I know it may have caused some hard feelings and I don't want to deal with that since I dealt with those kinds of feelings as a child.
MOC Blog: Do your parents know you perform in gay porn? I thinking, um, no?
Spencer Williams: Oh hell no! Not that I know of and I hope to keep it that way. I think they would disown me if they knew.
MOC Blog: It sounds like they already have.
Spencer Williams: It was hard for my parents when I came out of the closet. My mom took it a little harder than my dad. However, I give them a break about coming to terms with who I am. It took me 20 years to come to terms of who I am so I don't expect my parents to come to terms with it in a flash. I would love for them to be comfortable with who I am and accept me and be on my side regardless of their religious beliefs, but it will probably take some time. They love me and they have shown it over the years, I can't talk ill of my parents. They are human just like me and sometimes they have bumps in the roads that they need to work on....accepting me for all of me will take some time and I'm ok with it.
MOC Blog: How old are you, Spencer?
Spencer Williams: I just celebrated my 30th birthday a couple of weeks ago.
MOC Blog: Ah, a scorpio.
Spencer Williams: Yes....a scorpio!
MOC Blog: How far into adulthood did you pursue dancing and singing? Is it something you still do?
Spencer Williams: I grew up singing in church and when I got into high school, I was part of three musicals. I was never trained when it came to singing, but wish I took lessons as a kid. The closest you'll catch me is singing in my car or at home along with my music. LOL! I took a couple dance classes here and there before I left Hawaii, but I can probably count those classes with two hands. I used to take dance classes at the local gym here in Las Vegas as well since my friend taught the class. I actually started go-go dancing back in 2006 and stopped this past year, but if a club hires me to go-go, I will because I miss it. Actually, if I'm out at the club, you will catch me dancing even if I'm not go-go dancing. Once you put me in a club with good music, I'm in my own world.
MOC Blog: So, what were you doing in all those years before you decided to take the plunge and enter gay porn?
Spencer Williams: I used to be in retail. I was a visual merchandiser for the Gap and Abercrombie and Fitch. I also worked in the hotel/casino industry. I have been working as a trainer for the past three years.
MOC Blog: Did you ever stop and think that once you opened that door (to gay porn) you might have to close many others later in life?
Spencer Williams: Yes, I have. I knew it would, but I haven't come across any of that yet. My job as a trainer is fine and my boss knows of my "side job."
MOC Blog: How much of a side job is it? From what I've gathered, you done a few scenes here and there but your, for lack of a better word, portfolio isn't especially large. How do you decide what you will take on?
Spencer Williams: It's pretty much a very part-time side job. Most of my scenes I have done have been done with my husband Mitch Vaughn. I have gotten most of my scenes because of him and studios wanting to shoot us both. I haven't actively sent out applications to studios and I'm still on the fence if I should or shouldn't. This is the reason why I don't have many scenes out there. We'll see what the future has in store.
MOC Blog: I know this is really a trite question to ask but I'll ask it anyway. Is/are there any performers in gay porn that you are especially keen on working with?
Spencer Williams: There are. I do have a porn crush on Dean Monroe and Jay Roberts. I have worked with Dean Monroe for a gangbang scene, but not a one-on-one scene. There are a couple others like Sean Duran, Daniel Marvin and Pedro Andreas. I'm sure there are a couple morebut I can't think of them.
MOC Blog: What sort of porn did you enjoy watching growing up?
Spencer Williams: Suit sex! MenAtPlay.com was the site I would always watch!
MOC Blog: Why do you do gay porn, Spencer?
Spencer Williams: I thought it would be nice to get into since my husband, Mitch was in it. I would be lying if I didn't say it was the money as well. I mean it doesn't pay for a lot, but it helps to have another source of income. The people that I have met and worked with have been great. Most of them I do my best to keep in touch with them. Sometimes when we're in the same city of other models we'll hit each other up and hang out.
MOC Blog: What was working for fellow scorpio Peter Le like?
Spencer Williams: Peter Le has to be one of the easiest guys to work with. He is so kind, down to earth and makes you feel at ease while working with him. His body is ridiculous!
MOC Blog: Does he pay well?
Spencer Williams: For the amount of time it takes to film for him, yes he does. He may not be a big studio like Falcon, Lucas Entertainment or Raging Stallion, but for the amount of time it takes to film, it's worth the money he pays.
MOC Blog: If your friends were given three adjectives to describe you, which ones would they use?
Spencer Williams: You know this would depend on which friend you're asking...Sarcastic, Fun, Cunty.
MOC Blog: Cunty?
Spencer Williams: Yes, cunty...a little worse than bitchy. However, that's only when I need to be like that. LOL!
Spencer Williams: Right now, I haven't really filmed anything since my last shoot with Peter Le. It really has been crazy for me and my primary job as a trainer. The gym has been busy which is a good thing for me. Like I said, I'm still debating on sending in my applications to studios out there. We'll see what happens.
MOC Blog: Hopefully we'll see what happens. Would you like to add anything before we bid adieu?
Spencer Williams: Yes, I do...I know I'm not a big face in the porn industry, but I do have to say thank you to all those that consider themselves fans of mine. In an industry that can chew you up and spit you out, it's great to know that there are people that support you and enjoy the work you do. I know I'm not everyone's cup of tea but for those that appreciate my work, I appreciate them!
Victor Hoff: Thank you, Spencer. I would never have believed Devon when he said you are somewhat shy and retiring.
Spencer Williams: I actually am shy at first. Usually around people I don't know. But once I get to know you, you'll probably have wished that you didn't know me since I don't shut the hell up sometimes. LOL!
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